Atheos I Can Prove God

My beliefs are supported by evidence.

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Archaeological discoveries prove that the Gods exists.

You obviously do not understand the findings & data, do you?

I'm glad you value mutually observable evidence. How does one get from an archaeological discovery to a supernatural explanation?

Can you think of any alternative explanations other than the supernatural?

No they don’t; name one. I know many that prove your Gods didn’t exist.

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Archaeology proves God exists.

Archaeology doesn't do anything to prove the existence of a God. Do you understand the data?

How so? How does one get from a physical phenomenon to a supernatural one?

Why? How could a physical artifact prove a non-physical entity?

Archaeology proves that a God doesn't exist.

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God has proved himself to us in numerous ways, all around us.

If that’s the case, why is there so much confusion & dispute among believers & non-believers alike?

Can you provide one tangible example to which all reasonable people would agree?

You cannot provide me a single example of God actually proving itself.

No he hasn't, you've proved his existence within your own mind. Don't you see?

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How do you explain the historical prevalence of religious themes in art?

We also see lots of bowls of fruit & people in fancy, impractical clothing. I guess you think we can make inferences from this?

You're talking about art. Paintings. Do Van Gogh's paintings also indicate truths about reality?

So, the argument is that God exists because of the profusion of religious symbolism in art?

Many artists have been religious & their art reflects that. Doesn't that indicate what they believed, but not their correctness?

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My child beat cancer when the doctor said she’d die.

What about your child’s recovery indicates divine intervention as the best explanation?

Then you should thank the doctors & the wonders of modern medicine.

Aren’t many others not as lucky? Does it make sense to only consider unusual cases?

Okay, so what does that have to do with God?

Would you say that any & every unexpected turn of events should be explained as divine intervention?

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Noah's Ark is real & the evidence for it is absolutely overwhelming.

So, some guy built a big boat. So what?

If the evidence is overwhelming, then why hasn't it convinced more people, & why isn't it published in a peer-reviewed journal?

Consider me underwhelmed.

But why didn't Noah save the unicorns?!

The biblical Noah story is almost identical to the older Sumerian Epic of Atrahasis. Why not worship Anu instead?

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Prayer works.

I've prayed before. Why didn't it work for me?

Why doesn't prayer heal amputees or people suffering from Down syndrome?

Has there ever been a single documented case of someone who's been healed from severe visible disability?

Talking to yourself can elicit physiological responses that might be mistaken for an 'answer' to your wishes, no?

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Again, prayer works!

Why are the illnesses that are healed always 'invisible'? Why doesn't prayer work on Down syndrome?

Did you know prayer has actually been scientifically proven ineffective?

I've tried praying. It doesn't work.

Has prayer ever caused an amputee to grow back a limb? I'm wondering why there appear to be limits to the technique.

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Science constantly revises its findings. Our present facts may change.

Isn't its willingness to reconsider ideas in the face of new evidence a virtue?

Facts don't change; only interpretations. Speaking of which, haven't official interpretations of scripture also changed quite a lot?

You apparently don't understand the scientific method.

This is one of the greatest strengths of science. Isn't it a good thing to revise beliefs when confronted with new evidence?

Do you even science, bro?

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See the 'undesigned coincidences' in my holy book? The authors' impossible accounts fill in details for one another: Proof that it's true!

Clearly, that's just the later authors filling in gaps & elaborating on an existing story.

If one starts with one's belief first, then this is the conclusion one would come to. But what opinion would an objective inquirer come to?

There's a reason criminals are separated upon arrest: It's so they can't conspire to tell a consistent, credible excuse. See what I mean?

If we discovered a completely different holy book with your examples, plus ten more, would you discard your existing belief for the new one?

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The fact that we can experience beauty proves God.

We can experience ugliness too. Does that prove God also?

How did you determine that?

The beauty of the sunset cannot be contained or explained in any medium with sufficient justice, it is a wonder of wonders.

How so?

Aesthetic experience is explained by the brain's interpretation of stimuli, nothing more.

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The only reason humans recognize beauty, like sunsets, is because of God. God left us with these brushstrokes to hint at His existence.

The concept of beauty is subjective. Who are you to tell me what's beautiful & what isn't?

The reason we recognize beauty is due to the capacity of our brain & its ability to differentiate between what we find attractive & not.

The beauty of a sunset cannot be measured or pointed at. It exists only in our minds as observers; it's not real. Do you understand?

Are you saying that the experience of beauty should be accepted as proof that beautiful things were created by the hand of a deity?

Doesn't beauty have to do with a person's immediate relationship to a phenomenon? It's unclear where God comes into it.

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There is evidence that there is a Hell.

I don’t believe that.

Yeah, I figure it's a lot like this conversation.

What is it?

Do you mean that Hell is a physical place? What kind of evidence could prove that it's real & what does it mean for a non-physical place to be real?